Cameron Carr Discussion

I'd tend to believe him on the consulting — AAU, WNBA, NBA, college, international. I don't think he'd like about, but I guess you never know, LOL. And honestly, those internal analytics positions don't pay what people think, and a lot of that work gets done in-house anyway. Camera footage needs context, and teams have people for that. Cranjis doesn't have access to that data, but he's found a niche and built a business around it — subscriptions, independent consulting, the whole thing. More power to him. Daryl Morey started somewhere similar and ended up a GM. Maybe that's not Cranjis' goal, maybe it is.

He's not my favorite analyst but he's okay. I'd put him in the same category as Irwin — fine for what he does. If I want a deeper look at the game I'm going to Raj, LFR, Darius, Jason. But there's clearly an audience for what Cranjis does and he seems to be doing alright.

Either way, I don't want to get more off topic.

 

Coming from finance, I see a whole heap of analysts that have claim they've created a new investment model or utilised AI or analytics to create some kind of technical edge or some kind of rigmarole. When you follow their track record, you find that their results aren't much better than a coin flip. I find sports analysts not too dissimilar - I'm happy they're doing well and so on, but I take a lot of it with a grain of salt.

Now, some of the other names you've said, in particular Darius and Pete are very good. If I was to liken them to the finance industry, they remind me of long term investors that have just a great grasp on the fundamentals and long term views and end up out performing the market.

Anyway back on topic.

I think Carr fell and should have been picked in the 10-20 range. Now when I say he can be a phenomenal player, I mean a great role player and a real 3&D archetype with all NBA level athleticism. I'm not saying he is going to be a star, but in a BEST case scenario he could be Bridges/McDaniels level player - but it's more likely he is a DJJ level guy.

Yes, I would give him 20-28 mins. We're going to run it back while adding a center like Mitch Robinson and a wing like Thybulle. None of the guys we sign are going to have the potential of Carr and Adou to develop into 3&D prospects. Might as well pull the bandaid off and develop them during the season, we can't compete with OKC or Spurs unless we have internal improvement.

Now I'd like to be wrong, and I'll be the first to say I am if we do something incredible in the offseason, but with the amount of time I've wasted procrastinating looking at the market and whats available - I doubt it.

 

Yep. Have to start developing these guys. I don't know how soon they get time (Theiro & Carr), but when you decided to give Reaves $46 million AAV or something like that, their development is critical & hopefully expedited.

You can't go a half decade without adding young talent, which is what we were approaching after our lasts two busts we drafted. Maybe Carr and Theiro can change that and give me some hope for the future.

 

Adou can be a high rebounding large wing that can guard 1-4. Carr can also be a good rebounding small wing that can guard 1-3 - but with really good shooting.

I don't know how long it'll take them to get there defensively, but both guys have elite athleticism today and can catch lobs from Luka, Reaves and Lebron right now. Carr has NBA ready shooting today too. It's all about the defensive end and that's on JJ and the staff - the quicker they get the reps the faster they improve.

We've got 3-4 years of these guys on rookie deals, we need to get a move on. Luka is going to be on a supermax in a few years and Reaves is angling for a 30% max too. The clock is on.

 

I agree wholeheartedly. It’s time for JJ to exercise some patience and play these young guys. One of the problems we’re having in the offseason is the guys we have like DK have little to no trade value. That only happens if you play them. The way injuries are in today’s NBA, it makes no sense to have players rotting on the bench during the regular season. Playing them serves two purposes. It keeps our stars fresh and increases the young guys’ value if needed as assets in a trade.