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That Scott foster picture with his nose should be a meme. F around and find out Ref. lol!!!!!!! lol

 

Couldn't have happened to a "nicer" guy too
Lu Dort is my hero.

 

melton's a guy i've had my eye on. similar to thybulle (thybulle's better, imo, but requires a trade with portland who hates us). he's coming off a serious injury, but one that people recover from. very good fit. will depend on what bkn does with its space. could see that going lots of ways, and he'll probably want to wait it out, as they have some rights to him that could keep his salary higher.

similar situation with exum in dallas--not sure they let him walk at minimum levels. he'd require tpmle, and even at that, i'm not sure dallas lets him walk.

isaiah jackson is someone that wasn't on my radar, but that's because he tore his achilles. unless it's on a vet min, not sure that's a risk i want to take.

guessing he'll get mle or over; don't see an easy path there. i guess i could see minny having to cut costs and the money drying up on him. in which case a starting job with us could be a big opportunity.

i expect us to get one guy on a vet min that people didn't expect to take a vet min. hopefully, it's another malik monk type case--where it's a younger guy who wants to boost his stock.

do we think he can defend at the next level? that's my concern with little guys. we already have two foundation pieces that aren't super strong defenders, and if you take a look at who's still playing, those teams typically just play one at a time, max. the knicks have to be very creative with brunson out there.

both sga and brunson like to just initiate contact randomly, then lurch away as if it's the defender causing the loss of balance. refs need to let a few of those turn into live ball turnovers, and they'll stop.

 

He is a noted defender, but it's also not his main skill. I think he is more of a shooter then anything. Their may be a better defensive fit then him available in the draft. My point is we have to get creative and maybe think outside the box in obtaining 3 and D players. They are hard to find and these players are often home grown by teams. An older rookie wouldn't be a horrible idea because Luka just barely turned 26, so still on his timeline..

 

I do that trade for sure. Camara is way more conducive to winning that Knecht.

Luka / Gabe
NAW / Goodwin
Camara / DFS
Lebron / Rui
Claxton

 

in a vacuum, i do that trade. i just don't think camara fills an immediate need. i guess he frees up the possibility of moving somebody else (vando becomes pretty useless if we add camara).

 

I also do that trade. Camara is 3 and D. Solves that problem for us, end of story. With that said, why would Portland do it?

 

they don't want to pay him soon? they need a shooter more than a defender?

i think i said earlier that i think they'll keep him, but i think that means they don't really need thybulle, whom i'd prefer anyway (i'm not as sold on camara as many).

 

After poking around Pistons Reddit/forums, it seems like their consensus is that Stewart is a better player than Duren and the one they want to keep long term. THJ and Beasley are both UFAs in the offseason, with Ivey coming back I’m not sure they want to devote significant money to either.

We apparently asked about Knecht for Duren during the regular season, I think it makes sense for both teams to revisit. Pistons get a young shooter with more size as well as some additional draft capital they can use with Tobias’ expiring to upgrade the PF spot. They’d actually be a fun Zion destination.

 

Camara is a pretty awesome defender - he's definitely a guy McDaniels in waiting kind of guy IMO

 

yeah, i kept screaming into the void to trade for stewart last summer. he's not a great fit with our roster now, but he would have been great next to AD, imo.

i'd offer the mark williams package for duren. but i'm not sure it would be enough. i might sweeten it a bit, tbh. i'm sure phx will want him, but they have nothing to move (unless det wants kd), and i'm not sure gs will want him. so if det was actually open to moving him, i'm in. this is another case where i'm just not sure it's realistic, though.

 

yeah, i've only watched him a little bit, but the stats don't love him as much as the pundits. i can't really make an educated assessment on camara. but put it this way: if portland believes he's mcdaniels, we're not getting him for anything short of reaves, if even that.

 

Yeah his stats are not the greatest. Ironically he is a big hustle stats guy, which Reaves also is. Camara led the league in charges drawn, while AR was fourth. Camara also was on the top 10 in loose balls recovered. AR is.also good at getting loose balls. However Camara's DBPM was 0.8, which is good but not elite. Also 1.7 steals and 0.7 blocks per 36 is also good but not elite. He probably has other good super advanced stats like screen navigation or something though, idk. Peak Thybulle had a DBPM over 3 and got 1.1 blocks as a guard. Two time second team all defense. Thybulle still just only turned 28. I prefer Thybulle. I would be tempted to swap Kleba, Milton, and 2031 1st for Thybulle and Reath Then, you still have Rui/Vincent/DK/swaps/2nd to use on bigs. Portland is for sale, so they may be looking to clear salaries anyway, meaning they could potentially loose useful player like Thybulle and Reath for nothing. They are both expirings. Kleba and Milton only carry value as expirings, plus they get the 31 1st, which is a valuable asset..

 

Yeah, I do think it makes sense for them to move Duren for a younger/cheaper shooter rather than paying Beasley or THJ, but if I were them I'd be packaging Duren with the Tobias expiring to go big(ish) fish hunting.

I would hope we offer the Mark Williams package (Dalton, 2031 1st, 2030 swap) for Duren, Lively or Kessler. For the latter two, I'd add another swap or two.

 

that's pretty much my feeling. i'd be interested in thybulle and robert williams for gabe/kleber/knecht and maybe a top-10 protected swap or something.

 

I think with both you're hoping three things: the injuries lower their value, scare teams away and they have recovered/ don't get injured with us.

Both gambles, depending on the market and their cost, not against one injury gamble.

Did a quick Google on Jackson, apparently (i didn't remember this) we were interested in him during the '21 draft cycle. Lakers have a history of circling back with guys.

I think the only path is Bron taking a haircut and using a large chunk of that NTPMLE, I don't see that happening though.

What irritates me is that neither need to do it to be damn good players. Brunson is clutch and might have the best floater game in the league. League needs to start next season cracking down the same way they did when they made Trae and Harden look like non top 30 players.

 

Yeah I would go ahead and do that. We have to also get other centers though, because I don't trust Williams's health. So maybe flip Rui + Milton + 2031 1st for a big, in another deal and/or sign Capela for TPMLE. Offer him the starting job.

 

yeah, and i'd argue trae and harden both adapted and are still good players. they and we didn't need the refs to turn them into superhumans. just let things happen, man. it's not like we can't all see these guys taking dives for FTAs in crucial moments. you're not fooling most of us.

yeah, if you do this, i think the tpmle has to go to a center. i'm still a paul reed fan, and i think he's a play-alike for williams, so that makes gameplanning easier. could also go with crazy change of pace and see if ol' brolo wants to come back to la.

 

OK went back like 4 pages .... what pic are you talking about / I hope it's a bloody nose?