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Melo: I'm The Most Underrated Superstar

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  1. thkthebest

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    http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/sto...-york-knicks-says-most-underrated-star-player

    Lol. Wow. Except a lot of analysts are former NBA stars.

    If anything, I think Melo is highly overrated by the general fan. He's only made it out of the first round twice. His TS% drops from 54.7% in the regular season to a poor 51.3% in the playoffs. His defense is average. His passing is below average. His only positive attribute is his ability to score the ball, and there are multiple players who can score better than he can.

    A good player? Yes. A superstar? Nope.
     
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    I think he's a superstar. He's a "one-namer" like Kobe and LeBron. I just don't think he's the kind of guy who can do it alone. I thought LA or Chicago would be a great fit because he'd have more pieces around him. He'd have an Alpha.

    He makes for a great Beta though.
     
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    I guess my definition of superstar is different. I only see a few superstars in this league, and I split them into 2 categories.

    The Legends: These guys are going to go down as one of the greatest to ever play the game.
    1. Kobe
    2. Duncan
    3. Garnett

    The Elite: Simply put, they're just by far the best players in the league.
    1. LeBron
    2. Durant

    Edit: By the way, I would take Stephen Curry over Melo, and I'm pretty sure many people are going to adamantly disagree with that statement. :) Lol.
     
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    ^No I'd take Curry over Melo too. Neither will impact the game much defensively, so that's a wash IMO. But if you consider scoring plus assist, Curry has more impact offensively on the game.
     
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    I won't adamantly disagree, but I will disagree!

    I'll take Carmelo probably in my top ten. That to me is a superstar. I'm not saying he's overrated or underrated, but I think he's definitely a superstar.

    I also look at the term from a financial perspective too. Carmelo sells tickets, jerseys, and merchandise unlike the majority of the League. That's part of being a superstar too.
     
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    The only thing I think Melo is better at on the basketball floor is hitting the big shots. That's about it.

    I agree that Melo has the name for now, but Curry is on the up swing.
     
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    I think he's overrated too but I would easily take him over Curry.
     
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    I think part of the overrated comments from Melo are because he seems disrespected from the media. I don't know if he's the most unrated superstar but I do think he doesn't get as much credit for how good he is.

    As for the Melo or Curry discussing. I would probably go with Melo because I feel like Melo gives me a little more overall. Curry can be turnover prone, questionable ankles, and isn't all that great defensively. Melo gives me that scoring pump which Curry has as well. But Melo can always give me some good rebounding and has a greater likelihood of creating a double team when getting the ball down low in the post.
     
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    If you feel that way Melo, go out and win. Going to be very difficult with NY's current roster, but that's what it is going to take.
     
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    Even if you feel that way, is there any benefit to saying it to the press? Do the great ones ever really need to pimp themselves for recognition?
     
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    Generally speaking the Legends you listed are not superstars at this point in their respective careers. Kobe, Duncan, Garnett are all guys who are to old to carry a team on their own. For me the number one thing I care about in a superstar is his ability to carry my team on the court. I can careless about selling tickets and merchandise. Merchandise and ticket sales don't win a championship.

    Your elite player list are the true superstar players that deserve the max contracts regardless of restraints that teams endure due to the new CBA. These two are the only two players I feel that are at the superstar level. There is a large leap between the star and superstar status IMO. We all could name a handful of stars but they are not even close to the same level as LeBron or Durant.
     
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    Well then - everyone's definition of superstar differs wildly.

    IMO:

    1. Superstars has nothing to do with salary. One can be a superstar on his rookie contract. See Durant, Kevin a couple of years ago.
    2. Superstars has nothing to do with market value, because paying max money to a player in Toronto is not the same as doing it in NYC, and
    there are idiotic GMs paying max or near max money to undeserving players, thus dragging the prices up for everybody.

    Superstar is retrospective title, IMO, anyway.
     
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    He is who we thought he is. He is who we thought he is.
     
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    underrated?

    is that why he's a household name and is in the top 10 of basically every NBA analyst/writer? nice try melo
     
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    I dont think I'd take Curry over Melo either and I think they both are overrated, Melo moreso then Steph. I do think Melo needs a better supporting cast though, he never really played alongside another great player either.
     
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    I don't understand how can anyone complain about being underrated, when they get max money without even being to the NBA Finals, let alone winning.

    You are paid the maximum you can be paid. You have a load of endorsements and you've never won anything in the NBA. Boo hoo.
     
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    Carmelo is a great player but to me is not a superstar. For me it comes down to even simpler terms. I would always want a superstar on the team because they give you a chance to win in almost any situation. I did not want the Lakers to sign Carmelo and was glad when Howard left. Kareem, Magic, Bird, West, Russell, Jordan and Carmelo. Not quite sure he fits there. Not a swipe at him, he is a great player, but not a superstar.
     
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    All time legends are a little different than superstar though. In every era, there are always a handful of superstar relative to the existing talent pool.

    You just compared a guy who can score 30 ppg, (awesome) to the all time greats.

    Personally, I'd like to see see Carmelo viewed more as a leader to be considered superstar status, but his performance alone probably puts him there. There would be no shortage of teams willing to pay him the max to play for them. That typically means superstar in the eyes of teams.
     
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    He's right ... Construction workers don't get the credit they deserve
     
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