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  1. Sentient Meat

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    26ppg DPOY?

    Josh and Ingram are averaging 37.5 PPG and 14 RPG per game on efficient numbers and that's with Lonzo pooping the bed.

    Tell me we couldn't use some more longer perimeter defense.

    You guys keep pointing out the Pelicans record, but to me it looks only a matter of time before they turn the corner.
     
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    i'm sure it is, bro, i'm sure it is.

    if they were in la, we'd be dreaming of trading them for an actual star.
     
    abeer3, Dec 3, 2019
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    Precisely this, we are 18-3 without one of our best FA signings in Cousins.

    Yet wouldn’t it be great to give all that up for those two.
     
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    Yes it is a matter of time and I agree with you....but it requires time that we don't have. We have been waiting 6-7 years piling up trash records. Its time to enjoy the taste of winning and actually expecting to win instead of being happy "we were in it for the first 45 minutes".

    The Pelicans will be a very good team once their core hits their mid 20s...and they will be a playoff team for sure I think.

    Will they be contenders? Not if they don't have a top 3-5 NBA player. Will Zion get there? We don't know.

    Will Ingram, Hart or Ball get there? no, that we do know. Its a star driven league, simple and plain.
     
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    What kind of argument is this ?

    I guess you would prefer having Hart and BI instead of Lebron too then .
     
    wcsoldier81, Dec 5, 2019
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    Why stop at 37.5 ppg and 14 rpg? The entire Pelicans team averages 113.7 ppg and 45 rpg and that's still not enough to match the value of Anthony Davis.

    As the great Dr. Jerry Buss once said to Kobe Bryant....

    "Kobe, if I had a diamond of great value, four or five carats, would I give up that diamond for four diamonds of one carat? No. There's no equal value for you. A trade would not net what you bring to this team"
     
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    I was trying to look at it objectively...

    We didn't trade the team... we traded three players and three picks... I think they turned into Zo/Ingram/Hart and Hayes or Hunter depending on how you want to look at it in terms of number 4

    Just using our three players they are producing 50 and 18 on average... I didn't include Ball because he's been hurt and inconsistent... but BI and Hart have done well so I used them instead. If I include Hayes or Hunter... the production gap is even greater.

    Yeah, I've heard Dr. Buss's diamond analogy a thousand times... but then I think of Auerbach's teams who defeated West and Baylor over and over with role players... I think of Pop's team who defeated the Heatles

    There are more than one way to skin a cat... I agree stars are important... but we were supposed to add two stars to our core. Add two stars to our kids and we would have done well.
     
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    You have still to privide 1 viable option of how we could have added 2 stars to our kids. Noone here would bark at that scenario. Adding a guy who never misses and blocks every shot attempt of the guy he's guarding would also be great. Why haven't we done that? Maybe we should start discussing this scenario as well?

    Comparing the production of 2 guys to the production of one is not looking at it objectively. By that logic you could "prove" that each and every superstar in NBA history was worse than a huge number of alternative 2-player scenarios. How do you even bring that up with a straight face? I still assume you're not trolling.
     
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    Damn, Josh!

     
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    never believed hart would score 44 points in an nba game.

    of course, someone has to score on that current portland team!
     
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    Our scouting department though.... damn
     
    alam1108, Mar 13, 2022
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    obviously i agree that our scouts rule, but hart was a can't miss for me. it was weird that he fell that far in the draft, imo. the fact that we (iirc) traded down with tony bradley (who's still in the league, too!) to get him is even weirder.

    i don't know why nba scouts soured on 3- and 4-year college guys who just kept improving and played for winners, but our scouts attended to such things.

    anyway, i loved hart as a laker and still like him. i'd still trade him and everyone else for AD no matter what, but this is a good nba player.
     
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    Yeah, I think most scouts just see 4 year players with low ceilings. Even if they have high floors, they'd rather swing on unknown upside.

    I thought Hart is a great glue guy off the bench for a playoff team. He's just been on some not so good teams. I'm a little surprised he hasn't already landed in that exact role yet.
     
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    They're dropping 40 and 50 point games these days like its candy
     
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    That's unexpected.
     
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    Gonzaga teammates ….. I believe their careers there overlapped?
     
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    buddies with Randle also
     
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    hart's just a winning player, like caruso and vando. high motor, high iq, high athleticism. win.
     
    abeer3, Feb 28, 2023
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    Knicks played 64 games , Randle didn't miss a game , Brunson only 4

    WOW A TEAM IS ACTUALLY WINNING GAMES WHEN ITS TWO BEST PLAYERS DON'T MISS GAMES , WHAT A GROUNDBREAKING DISCOVERY !
     
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