Luka Doncic Discussion: Lean Mean Slovenian Extension Machine

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  1. lakerjones

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    To be fair we’ve been down two starters for over two weeks now. But yes that’s not an excuse for the other guys to sit back and play like garbage. I’m just not ready to throw in the towel on the roster yet in January. Of course we could use that trade for a defensive starting level wing any day now though.
     
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    and a 30 point scorer LMBO!!!!

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    A roster that has nothing to do with what Luka needs to perform at his best.
    And it has even less to do with what Luka needs to avoid squeezing him like a lemon.

    In the end, it's January 13th, and already with enormous signs of excessive usage (after all, he was at a career high at the start of the season), the rest of the roster hasn't made a single step forward to allow the season to go to waste.
     
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    AR and Jake / Jaxson (somewhat those 2) excluded. Ayton and Smart and Vando in spurts. IMO.
     
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    yeah, lebron and luka don't fit, sort of like lebron and AD didn't fit as each declined athletically. to make it work with lebron/luka/AR, the other two guys on the floor need to be athletes who can cover a ton of ground defensively and finish plays. you need like, jarrett allen and cason wallace or something. ironically, you can do more with less talent if your parts fit better, imo.
     
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    Luka is shooting 32% from three this season on TEN attempts per game.

    He is a career 35% shooter from three.

    He's becoming a below average shooter. How has he been this bad at shooting but takes so many attempts?
     
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    too many TOs again
     
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    That last part is the key IMO. If we can identify guys who are good in the areas we need, we can still do well even if they are lesser overall players.
     
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    I would guess it’s because he’s having a harder time getting to the rim than he’s maybe ever had, and settling for threes is the result. He isn’t the most athletic, and we don’t have shooters so players can leave their man to block the paint, so combing those things it’s kind of amazing how much he’s still scoring. He’s also rarely ever open, so the shots are difficult, it reminds me a lot of what Kobe dealt with on some bad rosters after Shaq.
     
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    mentioned this the last time people were complaining about his shooting percentage. you'd think people would remember kobe's solo years and how people used his fg% as some sort of condemnation of his ability. notice nobody ever left him open for any reason ever.
     
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    When thinking about whether he'd play in this one, I forgot he hates the Hawks for passing on him. Dropped 73 on them two years ago.

    These were funny

     
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    Count me out on this Luka at 4 defensively post Lebron stuff. That would be a disaster IMO, I love Luka on offense but he doesn't really try much on D, especially in the post. He'd stay in foul trouble IMO, I just don't see that as being realistic.
     
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    1. he does try and especially in the post.
    2. most 4s aren't posts.
    3. we'd much rather a team try to post luka than to pull him out into perimeter isos against multi-threat offensive players. teams will invite you to try to beat them with post-ups from anything other than a handful of elite centers, tbh.

    but yeah, let's go away from how his team made the finals because we believe that the nba took a time machine back to 1992.
     
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    I am not sure why Luka is constantly criticized here as a poor defender. He is not bad at all, he just struggles more against very quick perimeter players, which is not something most people would reasonably expect from him anyway. Against bigger, slower players he holds up well, uses his basketball IQ, plays physically, and gets his share of steals. I am not saying he is suddenly Ron Artest, but he is honestly far from terrible. Does anyone have his defensive numbers? My eye test says decent to good on slower guys, they shoot lower % against him, quite good in iso defense, especially in the playoffs.

    Regardless:



    Jax is Slovenian, for sure. He can jump. Slovenians are big fans of ski jumping, BTW.
     
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    "The 4" doesn't mean anything anymore defensively. You want one of your forwards to be a wing stopper and the other to be in a low man/helper role. You without a doubt want Luka to do the latter rather than the former because the latter makes better use of his best defensive attribute - his brain.
     
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    lol
    f*** off from chubby balkan
    his ours
     
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    i've tried to explain this many times, but the narrative is too strong. luka is actually NOT a bad defender. he's just not a great one, due to physical limitations. he's better than reaves simply because he's bigger and isn't asked to do as much that's outside his ability.

    omg stop talking. and the whole "you're trying to trap me" was planned ahead of time.

    the idea that you can't have two on-ball offensive players is also just completely untrue.

    and then kellerman claiming luka's not a willing defender but curry is. sure, jan. curry, jokic, and luka are all ok defenders because they try hard and are super smart (ironically, curry is consistently the weakest among them by the metrics i trust). so despite major physical limitations, they do well. kind of ancient lebron, who's still ok on defense despite moving like a mummy on many nights. nobody talks about anthony edwards on defense because he's athletic. well, it doesn't show in the numbers. maybe he's not "willing". dumbshits.

    no push back from rich on luka not being a willing defender, either. stfu, both of you.

    and rich's non-apology is also just something an incredibly stupid person would say and think it makes sense. "i'm not talking fantasy basketball...i'm talking hypotheticals". get a f***ing dictionary, and then stuff it in your mouth.
     
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    C’mon abeer stop being a puss and mincing your words about Rich Paul. :rofl:
     
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