Rob Pelinka Discussion: BBall Ops Pres + GM (AKA: Lucky Rob)

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  1. pika1708

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    This is exactly my thoughts on the whole AI thing.
    I work in IT and it's sad how companies are jumping to stuff with no foundation whatsoever.

    A friend of mine mentioned this is the new bubble and basically many companies will go all in into AI, fire a bunch people, it will start failing in multiple directions and costing money to the company where they then return to some sort of middle ground and start hiring people again and it stabilizes there.
     
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    This is exactly my thoughts on the whole AI thing.
    I work in IT and it's sad how companies are jumping to stuff with no foundation whatsoever.

    A friend of mine mentioned this is the new bubble and basically many companies will go all in into AI, fire a bunch people, it will start failing in multiple directions and costing money to the company where they then return to some sort of middle ground and start hiring people again and it stabilizes there.
     
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    not to fully derail, but it's most certainly a bubble, and like other bubbles, it's propping up a bunch of stuff and that's why it hasn't already failed. privately, most places that have imported it haven't reaped the promised benefits. everything started as giving it away for free so people become dependent upon it. step 2 is making you pay for it. problem is not enough dependence has been created.

    the real long con here is an attempt to recapture "the internet" and sell it back to us. i think that's going to fail, and we'll all pay for a few people gaming the system and getting rich. again. yay.

    anyway, i did derail. whatever tools the front office can employ effectively, go for it. i'm just not sure that being the nba team who has most integrated deep learning or whatever will necessarily deliver results on the court. i'm guessing there's more to the new person/position than any of that, and the journalists reporting on it just know AI is a buzzword right now.
     
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    While I am absolutely on board with hating on the AI craze.... LLMs are particularly useful in this type of application -- analyzing a collection of data sets and finding the patterns. Now... won't be without hallucinations, but you can do a lot to minimize that... cross-checking with an isolated-context agent, human-in-the-loop of course and so on.

    It's just... the front end stuff of that process, something we used to call BI analyst, is a thing of the past, and has been for some time now.
     
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    It is a bubble, but in the sense that the investments are somewhat circular. Tech stuff is solid, even if not without hiccups/challenges/limitations. The "show you the internet" part is such a small fraction of what is actually possible.

    I've been in software/infra/architecture for 20+ years (as some of you may know), so... I am hardly naive when it comes to new stuff that is going to change the world (looking at you blockchain), but this one is very close.

    I stopped writing code. My programming language is now English, with a looooooot of guardrails and control. But I haven't written a line of code by hand in some time.
     
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    AI has become very big in my company as of late. I will just say I don’t hate it as much as I initially thought I would.

    Like many things, I find it to generally only be as good as the person using it. Some folks are generating bad videos of Jordan dunking on LeBron. Real data scientists are using it to identify patterns and track down very complex and intricate human trafficking rings (literally).

    Fron that perspective, I like having true nerds at wheel. Is it going to revolutionize the way everything is done in the NBA? Doubtful. Can it be very helpful in the right hands? Absolutely
     
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    Agreed
     
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    Shame Pelinka wasn’t part of these. I also imagine, as well as hearing it from multiple Lakers podcast folks, that the best people aren’t lining up to take assistant roles, when they can just wait this out and have Rob’s job if he isn’t able to turn this roster around



     
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    I don't know why people dislike Pelinka, I think he has done a pretty good job so far with the limitations he had set.
     
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    Looks like the layoffs were business side only, not basketball. It would appear that new ownership did not think the business side was very well run.
     
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    It's just a matter of time until AI can outthink humans. Be skeptical at first but don't let it pass you by, because it's going to.
     
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    yeah, i've said this a million times. he was the whipping boy for what was just a bad organizational philosophy from the top. he operated fairly well within it.

    screwed up caruso. screwed up the jhs draft. otherwise, most of the time i totally understood what he was doing and was pleasantly surprised quite often.

    ny ripped off his scheme and is in the finals, imo.

    i don't know what this means "outthink". if thinking is computing, we've been out-thought for a long time now. but we made the machines.

    i don't welcome our robot overlords and will fight them and their human armies, lol. we can also unmake the machines without suffering any real loss, imo.
     
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    I’ll play devils advocate and say, if these same people who are supposedly turning down jobs, could easily be better positioned to take Rob’s job in the future if they took the job because they have personal connections with the Lakers front office and ownership group. So I think it’s short sighted on their part.
     
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    Nah, if they help him succeed he sticks around, but if he fails on his own, which is likely, they can interview for his job later. I genuinely don’t get people who like Pelinka, I doubt anyone here could tell me what his basketball vision or philosophy is. He doesn’t have one, and that’s why our team has lacked an identity for years, just lots of interchanging vet mins and exception players brought in because they were former high picks and big names, not because we want to play a certain style and create a franchise identity, just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. I don’t see how anyone can argue otherwise, yet I’m sure some still will.

    I just want a GM who has an actual plan that isn’t “preserving cap space while waiting for LeBron to age out”, who has an actual way he thinks a team should be consistently built that will lead to success. I don’t see why that isn’t a reasonable ask, or why Pelinka shouldn’t be held to that sort of standard, I would hold any GM in the league to that standard, the best franchise in the history of the NBA should certainly be held to it.
     
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    Assist coaches get promoted all the time when their head coach doesn’t succeed. Even though they were on the payroll when the head coach was there. It works the same way in front offices.
     
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    It definitely does sometimes, but I guess if it were me I’d still rather wait it out, not have to deal with Pelinka and just try come in fresh, not have the stink of any of his mediocre moves on me, or try to be blamed on me.
     
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    This is all under the assumption that Rob Pelinka is on a short time line.

    I think you bring up valid points Weezy about Rob's lack of direction. However, I do wonder though, which team actually has a clear direction of how they want to play? Most of the team's in the league are just trying to get a franchise player and then some good players to surround them and try to then find an identity during the season. Team's that have continuity have an identity and continue to juggle the edges until something fits good enough to be a contender.

    I'm not seeing anyone with a clear identity like we have in European football - Inter want to remain defensively very strong, Barca have their possession based passing etc.
     

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