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Austin Reaves Discussion: Overachiever Who Underachieved

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  1. JDLakersFan2019

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    You definitely have to consider trading Reaves. Him and Luka can’t play together going forward. He’s either gotta come off the bench or be traded. I was so disappointed by what we see from him during this series.
     
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    Reaves was buttcheeks this series. Hits a trey in the third which he was celebrating because it was due for him. Two uncharacteristic turnovers for him last night stood out. He had to deal with bigger, athletic Wolves wings that took him out of his comfort zone. The physicality really wore him down.
     
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    Lakers fans coming for AR after this series.

    Did AR underwhelm? - Yes

    Was he outmuscled? - Yes

    Was he the reason we lost the series? - No

    I get the impulse to trade him. I wouldn't. Still won't get back the same value due to his contract. (unless we are talking about a Giannis type package)

    I get the impulse to make him 6th man. I would not be opposed to that IF we can find a true POA 3&D guard to start ahead of him.
     
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    I don't know I though his underperformance actually cost the Lakers at least 2 games.

    Game 4 for sure he had a ton of open looks which bricked and even yesterday the unforced TO's and yet again missed open shots. These games were not blowouts - AR gets you 1-2 more big shots and 1-2 less TO's and it's a different series TBH

    And no I don't want to trade him - he remains the best contract in the league but a spade is a spade. I had him as possibly the 4th best player going into the series and he ended up where maybe the 8th (Ant, Luka, Lebron, Randle, Reed, McDaniels, Gobert all pretty clearly outperformed him). That's a steep drop in performance vs expectation. If you told me he was going to play about at the same level as Divencenzo going into the series, I would have said the Lakers were going to be toast and they did become toast
     
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    I only trade him if a star/proven 2-way 3rd option can be had for him. But I do think his play was a major reason we lost the series. He couldn’t shoot and he got punked physically, he was our 3rd option in the regular season and he didn’t deliver that in this series. The Lakers are not your typical franchise, your name/career are made here in the playoffs, not the regular season.
     
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    Well the thing that needs to be acknowledged is that he's going to need a new contract soon. He's under contract next season for $14 million, but then he has a PO for the following year. There is a zero percent chance that he picks up that PO. He's going to want a new contract probably north of $30 million, so the question is do you commit to Austin as a long-term piece next to look at over $30 million APY, or do you move him now when his contract is smaller/more attractive.
     
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    It's really on him now. Hes got room to work in terms of his fitness. And the benefits of added fitness strength and conditioning would have made a big difference in this series.

    He's not going to become an athletic freak but it will help him handle the physicality of the playoffs
     
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    His HC didn't exactly put him in the best position, to succeed in this series either. IMO. NO! Cookie and OX!! Slick is not, just trying to make excuses for Austin either.

    It's the playoffs, teams study what you do best, they think of ways to try to take away or limit some of those things. Lebron and Luka are superstars, it's harder to affect them, Austin is not. It shouldn't have been a secret that Minnesota was going to come after him. We seemed to be surprised by it, and we never really made any adjustments to combat that strategy.

    I don't give Austin a blanket pass here, but it's not all on him either....IMHO
     
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    it's still a year away, and i actually have questions about whether the teams who actually have that to spend will spend it on him. similar to when he was RFA and nobody wanted to go to the 4/100. i just feel like if no one would even test that, why would they bother clearing their decks to offer north of 30 per for a guy who's unlikely to be a #2 guy. remember that most teams with that much money to spend are more than an austin reaves away from contention.

    my guess--assuming we keep him (i think we should)--is that he signs a multi-year deal closer to averaging 25 a year after next season.
     
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    20 plus is fair, for him and us, he gets paid, and if for some reason things don't work out, that contract is very valuable in a trade down the line.
     
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    i didn't think about this before, but i wonder if the lakers don't offer an extension this summer. i believe he's eligible. we can offer up to 5/100ish. that would take him through age 32 season, i think.

    as slick said, he's likely to be tradeable on that deal, barring major injury.

    why would he do it? imo, for that reason--if he gets hurt next year, he could leave a lot of cash on the table. and if he stagnates at this point, the thought of a bigger deal is out the window anyway.

    i'd probably offer the biggest deal i could as a show of good faith. that could at least help head off "they don't respect me" stuff a la jalen brunson in dallas. even if reaves never got better, he's worth 20 per, no question.
     
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    To clarify my post above. For sure AR contributed to the loss. If he shot the 3 ball at 40-50% we would have won an extra game or two. But there were bigger reasons we lost.

    1. No Center: no rebounding or rim protection.
    2. Rookie head coaching
    3. Two best players disappeared in the 4th quarters
    4. AR under performed
    5. No bench production at all
     
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    You could also add "no answer for ANT" to that list.

    A trade package of AR/Vando/Knecht/2031 1st could potentially solve most of our issues.
     
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    Biggest underachiever of the series
     
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    I'd think if anyone would take this to heart to improve and prove his worth, it's Reaves.
     
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    I Love Reaves, but you can't play him & Luka together in the backcourt. That might be the worst defensive backcourt in the League.
    Either Reaves becomes our 6th man & runs the bench or we have to trade him... Unfortunate truth.
     
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    Disagree on AR being the biggest underachiever of the series.

    Above is the 4th quarter scoring for the entire series for our top 4 scorers.

    He was the third option. Luka and LeBron are the closers. Neither one closed. All four of our top scorers stunk it up in the 4th quarters, but Luka and LeBron are the superstars that are supposed to carry the team when it matters most.
     
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    All running on fumes in the 4th quarter. Meanwhile, JJ is talking about how guys need to be in " Championship condition ".

    Now that's some Pat Riley mentality. We shall see how that goes over with the players next season.
     
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    Hey wait a minute didn’t we hate Ham for his small ball, now JJ went bat**** crazy with it :Laugh:
     
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    Reaves can easily open his mouth and say if JJ have any offensive schemes, that the game will be easier on everyone. Instead of iso ball.
     

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